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dr.watson Administrateur (فريق)


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 | Sujet: Re: Su-30MKA en Algérie Lun 2 Nov - 17:27 | |
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motu Naqib (نقيب)


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 | Sujet: Re: Su-30MKA en Algérie Mar 3 Nov - 11:33 | |
| Bizarre ! DSI a pourtant une solide réputation concernant la crédibilité de ses informations .... |
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dr.watson Administrateur (فريق)


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 | Sujet: Re: Su-30MKA en Algérie Jeu 5 Nov - 21:34 | |
| Merci a Sarrazin pour le documentPDF Ce Rapport du parlement Français qui date de 2006 annonce la vente et livraison dans la catégorie "ML11" Transmission/Contre-mesures et ML15 Imagerie et Optronique un contrat d'environ 26.9 Millions d'euro. Ce contrat est sans doute en relation avec le contrat Su-30MKA qui date lui aussi de 2006   |
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motu Naqib (نقيب)


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 | Sujet: Re: Su-30MKA en Algérie Ven 6 Nov - 9:03 | |
| vraisemblablement en rapport avec nos MKA et T90 . |
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scorpion-rouge35 Administrateur (فريق)


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 | Sujet: Re: Su-30MKA en Algérie Ven 6 Nov - 10:21 | |
| ainsi que les équipements infrarouges et les robots de démineur . |
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T800 Amid (عميد)


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 | Sujet: Re: Su-30MKA en Algérie Sam 7 Nov - 9:50 | |
| ca concerne indirectement le SU 30 MKA . La Malaisie envisage de faire appel a l'assistance Chinoise pour l'entretien et le support logistique de ses MKM malgré les assurances Russes | Citation: | RMAF Seeks China's Logistic Support For Sukhoi Fighters
BEIJING, Nov 6 (Bernama) -- Malaysia is strengthening its military air ties with China and has sought the assistance of the People's Liberation Army (PLA) in maintenance and logistics support for Malaysia's fleet of Sukhoi SU-30 fighter jets.
Royal Malaysian Air Force (RMAF) chief Jeneral Datuk Seri Rodzali Daud said Malaysia was also looking into acquiring some Chinese military ware.
"China had risen to become the superpower of the region and is advanced in its technology as well and our relationship with China is getting better and better," Jen Rodzali told Bernama Friday.
"They can help us in many areas, like for parts and maintenance of the SU-30. In fact, Malaysia is also looking into some of the Chinese military products."
The RMAF has 18 Russian made SU-30 fighter jets while China also has large numbers of Russian made fighter jets including the Sukhoi SU-30.
Jen Rodzali was among the air force chiefs from 34 countries invited for a two-day international forum starting today in conjunction with the PLA Air Force (PLAF) 60th anniversary.
He met his Chinese counterpart, General Xu Qiliang, at the PLAF headquarters on Thursday night.
Jen Rodzali said the RMAF would strengthen cooperation with the PLAF and in the past had participated in the exchange of personnel and regional security information.
At least six Malaysian military personnel were attached to China's Defence University and Staff College and China has agreed to send its first student to the Malaysia Defence College next year.
The RMAF delegation will attend a PLAF Air Show and Air Force equipment exhibition at Shahe Airfield near here on Saturday before visiting the PLAF Museum on Sunday.
The group will also visit Jining Airfield in eastern Shandong province on Monday to witness an exhibition of China-made fighter jets before returning to Kuala Lumpur.
http://www.bernama.com/bernama/v5/ne....php?id=452966
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les Russes rassurent et offrent un centre de maintenance complet en Malaisie
| Citation: | Sukhoi jets to fly high
But maintenance costs will be low, says RMAF
STUNG by the controversy surrounding the high maintenance bill for the Royal Malaysian Air Force (RMAF) fleet of MiG-29N Fulcrum fleet, the Russian defence industry is to roll out a thorough “life support” for RMAF’s newly acquired Sukhoi multi-role jets.
Defence industry sources told Malay Mail that the programme would ensure that RMAF’s Sukhoi Su-30MKM Flanker fleet would not suffer the same fate as the 15-year-old Fulcrums.
The Fulcrum will be retired from service by end of next year, some 10 years before its scheduled date of retirement.
And unlike the Fulcrum, the Sukhoi support contract would be on a government-to-government basis. The support contract was part of the off-set programme of the RM3.1 billion deal for the Flankers, signed in 2003.
Another off-set programme was training of Malaysian astronauts.
“The support contract was mutually insisted by the RMAF and the Russians during negotiations prior to contract signing. Both parties acknowledged the problems faced by the MiG fleet,” the sources added.
They said the new arrangement was designed to ensure that the cost of maintaining the 18 Flankers, already delivered to RMAF, would not become prohibitively expensive, unlike the Fulcrums, that was cited as the main reason for its premature retirement.
The service centre is expected to completed by the middle of next year at the RMAF Gong Kedak air base on the border of Kelantan and Terengganu, where the Flanker squadron is located.
Defence Minister Datuk Seri Ahmad Zahid Hamidi on Wednesday told Parliament that the government was expected to save RM260 million annually by phasing out the MiG-29N Fulcrum fighter jets on Dec 31, next year.
In 1993, the government paid some RM1.3 billion for 18 Fulcrums, 16 single-seater and two twin-seater. The aircraft were delivered in batches from 1995.
Ahmad Zahid said the fighter jets were being phased out as it was difficult and costly to maintain some old components and systems for the fighter jets.
“The weaponry for the jets has reached the end of its lifespan and extending the lifespan would be costly and not be viable,” he told the Dewan Rakyat.
Ahmad Zahid said this when replying to Datuk Abdul Rahman Dahlan (BN-Kota Belud) who wanted to know the rationale for phasing out the Russian-made fighters.
According to Ahmad Zahid, each MiG also needed to undergo preventive and restoration work that would cost RM10 million, and RM7 million for engine overhaul every year after completing flights between 1,000 hours and 4,000 hours.
He said the cost of maintaining the MiGs was also high as the jets needed to be sent to Russia for overhaul.
The Flankers are expected to assume the role of the Fulcrums.
On the need to send the planes to Russia, the sources said it was not economical for the overhaul or upgrading work to be done locally.
“Only India, that operates a large number of MiG-29s, has the capability to do such programmes in their own country,” the sources said, adding that the issue had actually cropped about four years ago when the Fulcrum fleet celebrated its 10th year anniversary,.
The sources also said the cost of maintenance was not included in the original Fulcrum procurement contract, unlike the contracts for Western-made aircraft. That was the main reason that the Fulcrums initial procurement cost was about three times cheaper than its Western-made counterparts.
The sources said back in 1993, Russian arms exporters had not reached the level of sophistication of Western arms manufacturers.
“They (Russians) relied mostly on Soviet-style support system that unfortunately caused a lot of problems to non-traditional clients like Malaysia”.
The problem was exacerbated by the Malaysian government procurement policy that only limited the spares and parts suppliers to local companies. Some 20 local companies were involved in supplying parts and spares to RMAF and its authorised maintenance organisation, ATSC Sdn Bhd.
“Everybody wanted to make money and in the end, it was the air force that ended up with high repair bills. The MiG-29s remain in service in many poor countries including Myanmar, Bangladesh, Belarus, Cuba and Peru.
Some of these countries are operating even older versions of the Fulcrum.”
The sources said if Malaysia could sell the planes, the Fulcrums could theoretically remain in service for another 15 years.
The sources admitted that the Fulcrum saga had seriously damaged any future prospects of arms purchases from Russia.
Indeed, Ahmad Zahid told reporters, the ministry was looking to France, United States, Sweden and United Kingdom for its next fighter jets.
http://www.mmail.com.my/content/1757...-jets-fly-high
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Yorktown Raqib (رقيب)


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 | Sujet: Re: Su-30MKA en Algérie Mer 11 Nov - 15:50 | |
| | Citation: | Algerian Air Force to Receive Last Batch of Su-30 Fighters
The Algerian Air Force is set to receive the last batch of six Sukhoi Su-30MKA combat aircraft from Russia's Irkut Corporation in September 2009.
The aircraft form a part of a $7.5bn arms deal signed by Algeria with Russia for 28 MiG-29SMTs, 6 MiG-29UBT trainers and 28 Su-30MKA multirole fighters.
The two-seater, super-manoeuvrable Su-30MK is capable of engaging aerial threats including cruise missiles, and ground and sea-surface targets by air-to-air and air-to-surface guided and unguided weapons.
The Su-30MKAs will aid in modernising the air force wing and other elements of the Algeria's People's National Army.
Algeria also retains options on up to 30 more MiG-29s. The combined value of the MiG-29 and Su-30 acquisitions is estimated at about $2.8bn.
Irkut had previously delivered 22 of the 28 fighter jets to the air force. |
http://www.airforce-technology.com/news/news63531.html
Apparemment la livraison des MKA est quasiment fini... reste a savoir avec quelle type d'avion l'AAF va compensé ses Mig-29SMT rendu et ces Mig-29S qu'elle va je pense retiré du service.... ça fait un nouveau marché d'une cinquantaines d'avions que l'AAF devrai a nouveau commandé... auprès des russes je pense pour en finir avec la dette algero-russe.
Alors Mig-35? Su-35? Mig-29SMT? Mig-29M? qui sera la prochain... en tout cas pas le Su-30 vue que la Russie n'a pas voulu que l'Algérie lève son option pour une nouvelle commande |
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T800 Amid (عميد)


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Yorktown Raqib (رقيب)


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 | Sujet: Re: Su-30MKA en Algérie Mer 11 Nov - 16:24 | |
| Je sait pas, je pense avoir lu cette information sur ce forum même... je vais cherché la page ou éventuellement plus d'information a ce sujet. |
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T800 Amid (عميد)


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SaRRaZin Mulazim Awal (ملازم أول)


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 | Sujet: Re: Su-30MKA en Algérie Mer 11 Nov - 16:30 | |
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en tout cas pas le Su-30 vue que la Russie n'a pas voulu que l'Algérie lève son option pour une nouvelle commande |
Skromfll ( je viens d'avaler mon thé de travers ) et pourquoi ca ? Les Russes font des pieds et des mains pour faire tourner leurs chaines de production , Medvedev vendrait sa mere pour un contrat ! |
ça serait pas Poutine qui vendrait la mère de Medvedev pour un contrat  |
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T800 Amid (عميد)


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gizmondo Raïd (رائد)


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 | Sujet: Re: Su-30MKA en Algérie Mer 11 Nov - 17:32 | |
| BON je vais etre direct : CELUI QUI VEUT LA VIDEO DU ZEU BEST OF MKA QUI TUE SA RACE , il a qu'à me dire pourquoi Movie maker me fait une image coupée en deux avec la video en haut et le bas tout vert |
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yak Mulazim (ملازم)


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Yorktown Raqib (رقيب)


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 | Sujet: Re: Su-30MKA en Algérie Mer 11 Nov - 17:49 | |
| Peut être... je pense que j'ai du lire que l'Algérie avait demandé de remplacé les SMT par des MKA (en + des 28 en options)... enfin ont verra si l'option sur les MKA sera levé vue que la demande de l'AAF n'a pas encore été satisfaite. il lui manque encore bcp de chasseurs pour se modernisé et remplacé les Mig-29S et les SMT rendu. |
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