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 | Sujet: Re: S-300 PMU2 Favorit [Sa-20B Gargoyle] Sam 21 Fév - 21:35 | |
| | aspirant a écrit: | est ce que la version chinoise est aussi fiable que la version russe? les chinois seraient plus fléxibles non? |
Nazim a un sens de l'humour très subtile 
Sinon les chinois n'ont certainement pas atteint la technicité et l'efficacité des systèmes SAM russes  |
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Nazim Mulazim (ملازم)


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 | Sujet: Re: S-300 PMU2 Favorit [Sa-20B Gargoyle] Sam 21 Fév - 23:47 | |
| @Anzar The Chinese First versions were called HQ-9 / FT-2000 | Citation: |
The the [yet-to-be-deployed] HQ-9 is a program to develop a new long-range surface-to-air missile (SAM). The HQ-9 development effort may be based on a Chinese-designed missile motor, search and guidance hardware based on the Russian S-300PMU, and guidance technology from the American Patriot. China purchased four to six S-300PMU batteries (48 to 72 missiles) in 1991 and purchased an additional 120 missiles in 1994. In 1993 it was alleged that Israel had transferred a Patriot missile or missile technology to China, though Israel denied the charges. In 1997 the US Office of Naval Intelligence suggested that "technology from advanced Western systems may be incorporated into the HQ-9." A naval version of HQ-9 could be installed on the Luhai-class destroyers if the HQ-9 enters service. However, China is said to have encountered difficulties with the associated radar system, and it is unclear whether the PLA is currently funding this program. The FT-2000 surface-to-air anti-radiation missile is the first large surface-to-air anti-radiation missile in the world. It is said to be based on a marriage of the SA-10 and the US Patriot track-via-missile seeker. While the association of the HQ-9 and the FT-2000 remains unclear, the two programs appear to share remarkably similar development histories, and the FT-2000 capabilities are consistent with the employment of the HQ-9 missile without the evidently problematic tracking radar. Its broadband passive radar target seeker can detect the electromagnetic emmanations from the adversary early warning and electronic jamming planes and shoot them down by tracing signals. Since the missile has a passive homing system which does not transmit electromagnetic waves, the possibility of being discovered by the enemy is greatly minimized. Its 12-100 kilometer slant range also ensures that it can strike at long range. The FT-2000 has become the focus of attention in Taiwan, given the concern that this missile will pose a serious threat to Taiwan's US-made E-2T early warning planes.
The missile associated with the FT-2000 is probably similar to the HQ-9 in size but may be somewhat slower. Its maximum range reportedly is about 100 km, with a maximum altitude of approximately 20 km. A complete FT-2000 battalion probably would consist of a command platoon and three batteries. Sales brochure acquired at Farnborough dubbed the FT-2000 an "AWACS killer." The FT-2000 could be deployed as a stand-alone air defense system or deployed as part of another system. Although Beijing has stated publicly that the FT-2000 will be available for foreign export around the year 2001, it is more likely that it will not be available until the second half of the decade. If a foreign customer cannot be found, development could take longer or not occur at all. |

Dernière édition par Nazim le Dim 22 Fév - 1:00, édité 2 fois |
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Nazim Mulazim (ملازم)


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 | Sujet: Re: S-300 PMU2 Favorit [Sa-20B Gargoyle] Sam 21 Fév - 23:49 | |
| | Citation: | Specifications
Contractor Entered Service Total length 6.8 m Diameter 0.47 m Wingspan Weight 1300 kg Warhead Weight Propulsion Solid rocket booster Maximum Speed Operating altitude 3 - 20 km Operating range 12 - 100 km Guidance mode Passive Radar Homing Single-shot hit probability
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http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/row/hq-9.htm
The newest version of the system that is a copy of the S300 PMU1 IS called Hongqi-15 (HQ-15)
| Citation: | The Hongqi-15 (HQ-15) is a long-range, high-altitude, upgraded version of the Russian-made S-300PMU-1 (SA-10D Grumble). Currently manufactured and deployed by China, the system is designed to detect, track, and destroy incoming ballistic missiles, cruise missiles, and low-flying aircraft. In 1992, China began negotiating with Russia for the purchase of a series of S-300PMU-1 missiles. At the time, the S-300PMU1 was the most advanced Russian surface-to-air missile in existence, the latest version in the S-300P lineage that dates back to the 1960s. Still in service today, the S-300PMU1 is armed with single-stage, solid-fuel propelled 48N6 missiles, and has the capability to shoot down tactical ballistic missiles in addition to cruise missiles and aircraft, at ranges of 5-150 kilometers and altitudes between 10-27,000 meters.(1) The 1,900-kilogram missile carries a 143 kilogram high-explosive fragmentation warhead. A typical S-300PMU-1 battery contains 48 missiles on 12 mobile launchers. Each battery is capable of launching one 48N6 missile every three seconds. The missiles are guided by the 36N85 vehicle-mounted engagement radar, which is capable of detecting incoming ballistic missiles at 40 kilometers, and aircraft between 3 and 150 kilometers. The 36N85 can guide up to twelve 48N6 missiles, while simultaneously tracking up to six targets.(2) In 1993, China bought “dozens” of S-300PMU-1 missiles, and quickly deployed them around Beijing.(3) China’s interest in the Russian missile stemmed from (1) its quest for “great power status” by way of military modernization and (2) the very real possibility of a high-tech conflict with Taiwan. Two years later, Russia gave China clearance to begin manufacturing its own S-300s under the nomenclature Hongqi-10 (HQ-10).(4) In addition to the HQ-10, China developed and manufactured its own upgraded version of the S-300PMU-1 known as the Hongqi-15 (HQ-15). The HQ-15 is similar to the HQ-10 in most ways, the main difference being its longer range: while the HQ-10 can engage targets up to 150 kilometers away, the upgraded HQ-15 has a range of 200 kilometers.(5) This extended range makes the HQ-10 the “king weapon” of China’s air defense, and a key element of its ballistic missile defense. According to the Shijie Ribao newspaper, the HQ-15 is manufactured with approximately 70 percent Chinese-made parts, an indication of China’s decreasing reliance on Russian hardware.(6) China is currently deploying the HQ-15 along its eastern coastal zone—a highly developed region which produces up to 60 percent of its gross domestic product—and around the most important military bases, industrial complexes, and population centers in its eastern regions.(7) The deployment of the HQ-15 near the Taiwan Strait—as well as the S-300PMU-1/HQ-10, the HQ-16, the HQ-17, and the HQ-18—is primarily intended to counter threats from Taiwan, in particular Mirage (Mirage-2000) fighters but also ballistic missiles.( China might be attempting to upgrade the HQ-15 to the level of the Russian S-400 (SA-20 Triumf), a next-generation missile with a reported range of 400 kilometers, giving it increased capability against aircraft, cruise missiles, and ballistic missiles. Missile defense experts Alexandr Nemets and Thomas Torda suggest that China could achieve the S-400 upgrade merely “by substituting a small number of key components.”(9) The deployment of a Chinese S-400-like missile system would further expand China’s air and missile defenses, which are already quite robust. |
http://www.missilethreat.com/missiledefensesystems/id.29/system_detail.asp



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 | Sujet: Re: S-300 PMU2 Favorit [Sa-20B Gargoyle] Dim 1 Mar - 22:34 | |
| bsr je crois savoir , un Triumf est susceptible de remplacer trois systèmes S-300 ou une batterie de missiles sol-air de fabrication étrangère, ne fallait t'il pas attendre un peu et essayer de prendre les s_400 triumf , |
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 | Sujet: Re: S-300 PMU2 Favorit [Sa-20B Gargoyle] Dim 1 Mar - 22:52 | |
| Ce que je ne comprend pas c'est pourquoi la Chine commande t-elle autant d'S-300 PM2 auprès de Moscou alors qu'elle en produit déjà une copie.  Les S-300 made in China sont-ils à ce point peu fiables ? _________________ Tous les ans, il y a de plus en plus de cons . Mais cette année, je crois que les cons de l'année prochaine sont déjà là. |
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 | Sujet: Re: S-300 PMU2 Favorit [Sa-20B Gargoyle] Dim 1 Mar - 22:59 | |
| Cela doit ressembler aux autres contrats : le pays signe un contrat, dont une partie qui est fabriquée chez les russes et le reste, fabriqué sous licence. Ca a été le cas pour nombres de matériels d'une certaine valeur. Les russes développent un autre systeme de vente: la participation à un projet et en fonction des montants, le pays a le droit de produire, avec ou sans contraintes. Le troisieme principal type de contrat, c'est celui portant uniquement sur l'achat. C'est le plus utilisé à travers le monde. les S-300 chinois sont certainement des SAM qui différent tres peu de l'original. En tout cas, ils ont été fait là dessus et certainement sous licence. |
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 | Sujet: Re: S-300 PMU2 Favorit [Sa-20B Gargoyle] Dim 1 Mar - 23:19 | |
| Moi ce qui m'étonne c'est le cas de l'Egypte  Qui a pris des TOR tout de même.... |
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 | Sujet: Re: S-300 PMU2 Favorit [Sa-20B Gargoyle] Dim 1 Mar - 23:33 | |
| Peut-être que l'Égypte est limitée par l'origine de ses finances (US), ou bien comme elle est passée dans l'autre camp, peut-être que les russes craignent que cette dernière coopère avec l'ennemi pour qu'ils réussissent à mettre au point un système de contre-mesure embarqué efficace. _________________ Tous les ans, il y a de plus en plus de cons . Mais cette année, je crois que les cons de l'année prochaine sont déjà là. |
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 | Sujet: Re: S-300 PMU2 Favorit [Sa-20B Gargoyle] Lun 2 Mar - 16:45 | |
| l'algerie ne peut pas envisager des s_400? _________________ '"Nous devons nous méfier d’une influence non justifiée, qu’elle soit voulue ou non, par le complexe militaro-industriel. Le risque d’un accroissement funeste des abus de pouvoir existe et persistera. Ne laissons jamais le poids de ce complexe mettre en danger nos libertés ou notre démocratie."
17 janvier 1961, le président Eisenhower a propos du lobby militaro-industriel aux USA.
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 | Sujet: Re: S-300 PMU2 Favorit [Sa-20B Gargoyle] Lun 2 Mar - 21:08 | |
|  L'article de DSI est contradictoire quant à la composition d'un régiment de S300/S400 ( voir encadrés rouges) Je lis : 1 PC régimentaire 6 Batteries 1PC Batterie 12 lanceurs
 Par contre le S300PMU2 semble être apprécié des russes avec des capacités proches des S400 ( voir encadrés verts) Note: La différence avec le S400 Block 1 est principalement dans le radar et les logiciels utilisés dessus  Or c'est le même radar, je pense que les différences sont principalement au niveau du software, de plus le deuxième encadré vert indique qu'un S300PMU2 peut utiliser les missiles du S400  C'est une bonne affaire en somme rien ne différencie fondamentalement un Sa-20B d'un Sa-21 (à part les camion  )  Personnellement je reste persuadé que la commande de Sa-20B pour l'ANP est de 8 bataillons (vu le prix annoncé comparativement aux commandes indiennes et chinoises) Voir l'article de MBD en lien ci-dessus   |
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