fulcrum je suis dans le vrai ou pas,
car je n'arrive pas a retrouvée la source,
merci

J'ai pas bien compris ta question mohamed.

il y aura t'il des systèmes sol-air S-400 à partir de 2009

en algerie ou plus tard

Ah alors là aucune idée mohamed, notre DAT a un besoin flagrant en SAM! Elle ne roule officiellement qu'au S-125! Donc si le PMU2 est annulé c'est surement pour prendre mieux donc S-400. La je suis dans le flou comme toi.

merci fulcrum

Aucun probleme

Kommersant vient de lever l'ambiguïté sur les S300PMU1

http://www.kommersant.com/p840222/Iran_Air_Defense_S-300/

Citation:

Iranian Defense Minister Mostafa Mohammad Najjar said on Wednesday that the contract with Russia would deliver to Iran S-300 systems under a timetable to be announced soon. Russian arms trader Rosoboronexport and contract’s executor Antey-Almaz did not comment on the statement but did not refute it either. Sources of Kommersant said that Russia has agreed to sell to Iran five S-300PMU-1 complexes worth $800 million. A source in the military industry reported that the contract had not been signed yet but talks were in a final stage. He, however, said that S-300PMU-1 might as well be sold to Iran from the arsenal of the Russian armed forces after necessary updates.

En fait les S300PMU1 (prélevés sur l'arsenal russe) étaient en négociation avec Téhéran depuis 2004. Mais les rebondissements de l'affaire de Natanz ont fait capoter les négociations en janvier 2006.....

Et là quelle coincidence c'est à ce moment que les russes proposent les 5 systèmes PMU1 à l'Algérie, qui n'en veut pas et insiste sur des PMU2 neufs (finalement 4 systèmes pour 1 milliards de $ + option sur 4 autres d'où les hésitations sur les chiffres exacts).

Maintenant Téhéran et Moscou sont tombés d'accord pour la vente de 5 systèmes PMU-1 upgradés prélevés sur la Défense Anti-Aérienne Russe.

Mais comme Antey a annoncé la commercialisation à l'export des S-400 pour 2009 (kommersant du 6 août 2007) ça a probablement brouillé un peu plus les cartes avec Alger Vu que les PMU-2 ne devaient pas être livrés avant 2011 (les indiens et les chinois ayant commandé prés de 12 systèmes).

Maintenant reste à savoir ce que vaut la version Export du S-400 (ça seuls les ingénieur d'Antey le savent) et quel serait vraiment l'apport par rapport à un PMU-2 déjà trés performant

NB : Tout ceci reste une analyse personnelle Après recoupement des diverses informations ayant circulé dans la presse spécialisée....c'est un éclairage mais peut être que je me trompe

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si barbaros pouvait nous eclairer sur l'évaluation d'une batterie de S 300 PMU1 par l'armée de l'air turque en israel...

Citation:

Israel develops countermeasures to S-300 system Special to World Tribune.com MIDDLE EAST NEWSLINE Thursday, July 12, 2001 TEL AVIV — Israel's air force has acquired the S-300 and developed countermeasures as part of an assessment that its Arab neighbors will eventually obtain the advanced Russian anti-aircraft system. Israeli and European defense sources said Israel has acquired key components of the S-300 Almaz in 1998 from Croatia. The subsystems obtained include radar and fire control components that would allow Israel to examine the operations of the air defense battery. The system was obtained by Croatia from Yugoslavia in 1995 and then secretly transferred to Israel during the final days of the regime of Croatian President Franjo Tudjman. The sources said the deal was arranged by Croatian Deputy Defense Minister Vladimir Zagorec, responsible for the military relationship between Jerusalem and Zagreb. Israeli military sources would not confirm details of the S-300 transfer. But they said the air force has been preparing for the prospect that such countries as Egypt, Syria or Iran would obtain the system. They said the air force and the Israeli defense industries have developed electronic warfare systems and decoys meant to deceive the S-300, which in the hands of Syria could cover most of Israel's air space. "The Israeli Air Force began to prepare for the S-300 in the mid-1990s," a senior air force source said. "Delegates visited S-300 sites in Russia and other countries to learn about the system." A senior Israeli defense source said such state-owned companies as Israel Military Industries and Rafael, Israel Armament Development Authority, have developed means to disrupt or deceive the S-300 system. IMI has developed the Improved Tactical Air Launched Decoy [ITALD], which is meant to fool the S-300 radar. The source said the advanced versions of the SA-12 has a radar that can spot aircraft at a range of up to 300 kilometers. Res. Brig. Gen. Shlomo Brom, a former head of strategic planning at the Israel Defense Forces and now a senior researcher at Tel Aviv University's Jaffee Center for Strategic Center, said the military appears to have formulated a response to the S-300, including advanced versions such as the SA-12. Brom said that Egypt is interested in obtaining the SA-12 as an answer to Israel's Arrow missile defense system. "I have no doubt that already several years ago they [Israel's air force] learned of this system," Brom said. "The element of [Arab] surprise is much weaker." Brom said the S-300, regardless of which model, is an expensive system. As a result, he did not envision that Syria would be able to purchase more than several batteries. Croatian sources said the S-300 was purchased through the Israeli firm Nevada Trade from an owner listed as Winsley Finance. They said the system was dismantled, with Zagreb keeping the missiles and Israel obtaining the radar components.

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l'article que tu a posté sur Israel et le S300 (mais quelle version il y en a tellement) est excellent, merci de confirmer que les oustashis sont, comme à leur habitude, des enflures. Yaatik essaha

Inside 96L6 Radar (NATO name: Cheese Board) associated with the russian S-300PM-2 and S-400 SAM-Systems.

C' est avec ca qu'ils ont surement capté le pov' drone géorgien (allah yeramhou ).

il peut capter un drone meme si ça signature radar est trés infirme?