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mig 17 Raqib (رقيب)

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 | Sujet: Re: S-300 PMU2 Favorit [Sa-20B Gargoyle] Sam 30 Mai - 8:27 | |
| La déférence entre le 300PMU et le 400 il ya que le système électronique Vous pouvez consultez la doc sur russisa today archives |
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borznayadouti Arif (عريف)

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 | Sujet: Re: S-300 PMU2 Favorit [Sa-20B Gargoyle] Dim 7 Juin - 19:53 | |
| mais pourquoi les russes dit-ils que un systeme s 400 peut remplacer 3 systemes s300pmu2. En plus ils disent que le 400 est de nouvelles generations. |
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anzar Administrateur (فريق)


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 | Sujet: Re: S-300 PMU2 Favorit [Sa-20B Gargoyle] Dim 7 Juin - 20:39 | |
| | mig 17 a écrit: | La déférence entre le 300PMU et le 400 il ya que le système électronique Vous pouvez consultez la doc sur russisa today archives |
Non pas que les sytémes electroniques embarquée qui changent,mais aussi le nouveau missile 40N6 de 2 tonnes affichant une portée de 400km et une altitude d'interception de 50km,et aussi un nouveau projet dit S 400 block 2 portant sur l'amélioration du dit missile qui pourrait dépasser les 100km d'interception en altitude et en portée aussi. (source DSI speciale missile sol air). |
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Elyas Djoundi (جندي)
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 | Sujet: Re: S-300 PMU2 Favorit [Sa-20B Gargoyle] Mer 8 Juil - 15:40 | |
| S300, bon choix couplé aux pantsir ça fait des dégats ! |
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T800 Amid (عميد)


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 | Sujet: Re: S-300 PMU2 Favorit [Sa-20B Gargoyle] Dim 12 Juil - 13:24 | |
| un général de l'US Air Force analyse le S 300 , sa conclusion : No Fly Zone ! | Citation: | Four Israel Defense Forces (IDF) F-15I Raam warplanes skim along just 100 feet above the arid desert landscape, flying at just below the speed of sound. The four jets form just one of many Israeli strike packages on their way to strike Iranian nuclear facilities hidden deep underground all over that country.
But, as the strike fighters streak towards their targets, almost without warning the lead F-15I explodes as it is hit by a surface-to-air missile. As the rest of the flight desperately begins evasive manoeuvres, a second F-15 is obliterated before the pilots can bail out, and more of the deadly missiles are on their way towards the remaining Israeli jets.
This is the nightmare scenario facing Israeli military planners when Iran acquires the Russian surface-to-air missile system known in the West as the SA-20 Gargoyle. This deadly missile could be delivered to Iran as soon as September, according to Israeli news reports, potentially shutting the door on any Israeli air strike.
A nearly insurmountable obstacle
Although on July 9 U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates denied the possibility of Iran acquiring the missile known as the S-300PMU-1 by its Russian designers anytime soon, defense reporters have speculated widely that the operational deployment of the S-300 air-defense system would represent a red line for an Israeli air strike on Iran. This is because the SA-20/S-300 represents a nearly insurmountable obstacle for conventional aircraft, according to air power experts.
For non-stealth aircraft, the SA-20 represents a virtual no-fly zone, said retired United States Air Force General Richard E. Hawley.
Hawley, who served as the commander of U.S. Air Force Air Combat Command from 1996 to 1999, said the SA-20 possesses far better radar, much greater range, is far better integrated into the networked air defense system, and is generally much more lethal than previous generations of surface-to-air missiles.
Additionally, the SA-20 is much more resistant to electronic countermeasures that are typically used by strike aircraft to defeat such weapons and is capable of engaging targets with far smaller radar cross-sections.
The SA-20/S-300's capabilities
The S-300PMU-1 system is capable of engaging targets from altitudes as low as 30 feet to as high as 90,000 feet, against incoming targets travelling at a velocity of 9,000 feet per second, according to the Web site of the Almaz Scientific Industrial Corporation, the Russian company that builds the weapon.
Its horizontal range allows the S-300PMU-1 to attack targets as close in as 3 miles to as far out as 95 miles. In addition, the missile system is capable of destroying incoming intermediate-range ballistic missiles up to 25 miles out.
The SA-20/S-300 does all this while attacking six targets simultaneously, with two missile launchers each firing at a rate of one missile every 3 to 5 seconds. The system is totally mobile and can be networked into an air battle management system to provide even more lethal coverage and to ensure that the weapon is much more protected.
Hawley, a former fighter pilot with more than 3,000 flight hours and 438 combat missions flown over Vietnam, said the prospects for conventional strike aircraft would be grim when faced with the SA-20.
According to Hawley, the only ways to engage the SA-20 with conventional non-stealth aircraft would be to use stealthy cruise missiles such as the Joint Air to Surface Standoff Missile (JASSM), fired from outside the range of the air defense missiles; or to resort to Vietnam-era low-level tactics.
The problem for Israel is that it does not have the JASSM missile production of the weapon has only recently restarted for the U.S. Air Force after a lengthy delay due to technical faults and so its aircraft would have to use the low-altitude approach against the SA-20.
Low-altitude tactics where jets skim the earth at treetop levels are extremely hazardous and are of limited effectiveness, and an attacking force would likely face very significant losses, said Hawley.
New threats against low-flying aircraft
The idea behind attacking at low level is that the incoming aircraft would use terrain to mask their approach because radars cannot see through geographic features such as mountains, but while the tactic helps mitigate the threat of the long-range surface-to-air missiles, new threats are emerging in that arena.
This additional danger comes from lower-tier missile systems such as the advanced Russian Tor-M1 point defense system delivered to Iran last year and especially from air-defense guns. A little known fact is that most losses of combat aircraft in the later half of the last century were not caused by missiles but by anti-aircraft artillery, said Hawley. Even in the first Gulf War, most coalition aircraft losses were due to cannon fire from the ground hitting aircraft flying at low level.
The picture is further complicated by the fact that Russian air defense systems are networked, according to Hawley. All surveillance systems, missile systems and anti-aircraft artillery are interconnected to form an integrated air defense system and data from individual radars are transmitted to all the other defenders to form a coherent air-defense picture.
As a result, simply destroying a single radar or one missile battery does little to diminish the threat, making integrated air-defense systems the single greatest challenge faced by modern air forces.
Hawley said the most effective way to combat integrated air-defense systems was to operate stealth aircraft such as the F-22A Raptor or the F-35 Lightning II.
For Israel that may not be an option. The earliest the IDF can acquire the F-35 Lightning II stealth fighter is in 2014 and not only is the F-22 too expensive, but also it is banned from export by the so-called "Obey Amendment" under US law due to the extremely sensitive nature of its technology.
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un article recent sur le JASSM
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| Citation: | Lockheed Martin Corp. has a new $23 million production order in hand for 12 air-to-surface test missiles.
Known as Joint Air-to-Surface Standoff Missile-Extended Range (JASSM-ER) missiles, six will be used to complete a development test flight program. The remaining six to be used in operational testing.
Bethesda, Md.-based Lockheed Martin (NYSE: LMT) says all of the missiles will be tactically configured with an added test instrumentation kit. The missiles will be assembled in Lockheed Martin's facility in Pike County, Ala.
The flight tests will be launched from a B-1B aircraft and engage various tactical targets. JASSM-ER has a 100 percent success rate, currently four-for-four in developmental flight tests. Lockheed Martin says the 2,000-pound class weapon cruises autonomously in adverse weather, day or night, using a state-of-the-art infrared seeker The JASSM-ER missile design will be compatible with the B-1B platform, as well as the B-2, B-52 and F-16 aircraft.
Lockheed conducts business operations in New Mexico.
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 | Sujet: Re: S-300 PMU2 Favorit [Sa-20B Gargoyle] Dim 12 Juil - 13:45 | |
| Le JASSM,c'est l'arme qu'on trouvait les américains pour détruire les S 300 PMU 2? |
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T800 Amid (عميد)


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| | AT 15 KHRYZANTEMA a écrit: | | Le JASSM,c'est l'arme qu'on trouvait les américains pour détruire les S 300 PMU 2? |
en effet , en combinaison avec les F 22 et les F 35 . A ce propos l'info du jour :
| Citation: | Israel orders 1st stealth F-35 squadron
Yaakov Katz , THE JERUSALEM POST
Israel moved a step closer to receiving its first stealth fighter jets this week after the Israel Air Force submitted an official Letter of Request (LOR) to the Pentagon to purchase its first squadron of 25 F-35 stealth fighter jets.
Also known as the Joint Strike Fighter (JSF), the F-35 will be one of the most-advanced fighter jets in the world and will enable Israel to phase out some of its older F-15 and F-16 models. The JSF is manufactured by Lockheed Martin.
Defense officials said that while the LOR was submitted this week, negotiations regarding the final price of the plane - estimated at around $100 million - as well as the integration of Israeli systems would continue.
The LOR will be followed by the signing of a contract in the beginning of 2010. The first aircraft are scheduled to arrive in Israel in 2014.
The first stage of the deal will be the purchase of 25 aircraft, which will compromise the first Israeli F-35 squadron. In a later stage, the IAF plans to purchase an additional 50 aircraft, some of them with vertical take-off and landing capabilities.
According to senior IDF officers, the Defense Ministry and the Pentagon have reached understandings on most of the major issues that have been at the core of disagreement between the sides.
Israeli demands have focused on three issues - the integration of Israeli-made electronic warfare systems into the plane, the integration of Israeli communication systems and the ability to independently maintain the plane in the event of a technical or structural problem.
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 | Sujet: Re: S-300 PMU2 Favorit [Sa-20B Gargoyle] Dim 12 Juil - 17:41 | |
| est ce que le S300 arriverait à intercepter un UAV ? parce que apparemment les israéliens ont développé des drones Kamikazes pour neutraliser sa couverture radar... |
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yak Mulazim (ملازم)


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 | Sujet: Re: S-300 PMU2 Favorit [Sa-20B Gargoyle] Dim 12 Juil - 18:46 | |
| pour les uav il y a le pantsir-s1 _________________  |
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el para Arif (عريف)


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 | Sujet: Re: S-300 PMU2 Favorit [Sa-20B Gargoyle] Dim 12 Juil - 18:59 | |
| pourquoi tu dis sa boulava inchalah il va rien entre nous et vous wallah je sais au fond de toi peur pour ton pays je comprend mais il va rien ce passer |
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 | Sujet: Re: S-300 PMU2 Favorit [Sa-20B Gargoyle] Dim 12 Juil - 19:27 | |
| c'est une arme défensive! parfaite pour un pays qui a un territoire très etendu et difficile à couvrire et securiser par l'aviation ! c'est tant mieux pour l'algérie pour défendre son espace aérien ! notre pays s'arme pour se défendre pa plus! on a pas des centaines de chasseurs et on vise pas à dominer le monde et controler ses ressources petrolières de forces  on est pas une menace stratégique pour l'Algerie et vice-versa |
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el para Arif (عريف)


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 | Sujet: Re: S-300 PMU2 Favorit [Sa-20B Gargoyle] Dim 12 Juil - 20:12 | |
| merci voila des paroles qui sorte de la bouche d'une personne intéligente tu sais mon frère je suis certin qu'il y a des gentsssss qui veulent nous faire des batons dans les rous nous sommes unis est personne va nous séparé nchalah le maroc l'algerie la tunisie et tous les pays voisins (désolé si ce n'est pas le sujet mais sa me tien a coeur sa merci mes ami(es))  |
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dr.watson Administrateur (فريق)


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 | Sujet: Re: S-300 PMU2 Favorit [Sa-20B Gargoyle] Mer 21 Oct - 21:08 | |
| | Citation: | As for export, most probably the financial and economic statistics reflects production of the S-300PMU-2 for Algeria and maybe for Iran. Besides, there could be some other undeclared medium-range AA missile contracts. |
http://dfnc.ru/upload/NOZ_2009_3.pdf
4-10 Mai 2009
| Citation: | En Russie, prévue pour l'AAMS marchés S-300PMU-2 «Favorit» (8 divisions). Nous avons l'intention de créer un système unique et intégré de guerre électronique pour la Force aérienne et de défense aérienne
В России намечено закупка ЗРС С-300ПМУ-2 «Фаворит» (8 дивизионов). Планируется создание единой комплексной системы РЭБ для ВВС и ПВО |
http://www.iimes.ru/rus/stat/2009/11-05-09c.htm |
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