Serbs in Vedic India

[size=9]There are some authors from european past and more serbian authors (from 19.century till now) who investigated migrations of serbs in prehistory in Asia, like my previous post about Srbinda - chiefman in Indra's time show.

[/size]Russian author Moroskin writes in his book Istoricko-kriteceskija izsledovnija o Rusah i slovijanah (page. 163-173.):

,, From the Himalayas to the Hidukushki Mountains lived the Serbian peoples, under the name Syemskrita or Serbs!"

The writer states that the local inhabitants had been mesmerised and respected highly the syemba or serba who resided in this region called Dunayski.(similar to present serbian name for Danube= Dunav).

Inside India the main countries of the Serbs were Praziya and Gangaria, the great Sabarska another Serb country based on the coast of India was called Panonska or Panonia.(similar to present northserbian regia Panoniya or Panonska area).

Moroskin states that the Serb Kingdom in India was regarded as the highest level of might,.Multy spectrums of education and enlightenment.

In the book of Laws of Manu one can find number references to Moroskins writing Paragraph 21 states:

That (country) which (lies) between the Himavat and the Vindhya (Vinds, Vends or Wendi as one of names the Germans call the Serbs) Mountains to the East of Prayaga and to the west of Vinasana (the place were the river Sarasvati disappears) is called Madhyadesa (the central region).

[size=9]On paragraph 22. The Manu goes on to explain:

But (the tract) between those two mountains (just mentioned), which (extends) as far as the Eastern and Western oceans, the wise call Aryavarta (the country of Aryans). It is generally regarded that the Serbian name Mane used in Serbia, Dalmatia and Lika is derived from Manu; the learned one. Also serbian verb "manuti"..

[/size]According to mentioned and some other authors, Immigration of Serbs lasted over 10 000 years in periodic waves depending on the circumstances.

Here is an old pre-historic Serbian poem which seems to explain one of the reason why Serbs emigrated from India:


[size=12]Damned India

How could I not weep tears,
When I’m leaving the Land of India,
India land of the cursed?
In India the law is scorn …
Godfathers take each other to courts…”
Brother sleeps with brother’s wife.
Not a drop of rain from the sky,
No quite morning dunes to cry,
No wine or wheat to be born,
For honourable bread for the temple.
Vast time is three years,
Black earth cracks from the Sun,
In her live men fall,
To which God lets loose sickness of horror,
Painful sickness and horror
Which has slain the old and young?
etc..

Other references to India in Serbian poetry include such titles as:
Upon the sea to India floats a shaykacha( serbian kind of hat)
A stitch has sewn India girl (not the same as Rosa slave girl), land of India and so on.

A stitch has sewn Rosa slave girl

A stitch has sewn Rosa the slave girl,
Stitch she sew, on to the sea she looked,
Two black ravens she watched.
Rosa the slave girl spoke:
Oh God two black ravens,
Are you travelling from the land of India,
Had you seen my old mother?
Has she married my brothers?
Has my sister widowed’
Has my mother taken my gifts.
One had croaked the other spoke:
We are from the land of India.
We have seen your mother who’s old:
Your brothers she has married,
And your sister a widow has become,
But your gifts she has not given,
Old mother sits alone and quiet,
Thumbelling with your White gifts,
Oh dear, two black ravens!
Go to the Land of India.
And tell my old mother,
To share my gifts and to save
To give the ill and blind,
Slave Rosa closed her eyes.
Blind she threw herself to the sea.
etc.
It is very clear that the Serbs still hold India with a blurred kind of nostalgia close to their hearts and within Serbian poetry India plays a role of past remembrence.
The fact that we have a clear connection between, Manus and Arians with the Vedas cannot in any way be a coincidence as it is unlikely that the European Vends (Vedas) who hold India so dear to their souls are not connected to any of the above!

Who else from today’s Europe has claimed such a past (in history, religion and language and ties in tradition) without force upon the nation of Vedic India? [/size]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Empire



The Persian Empire was a series of historical empires that ruled over the Iranian plateau, the old Persian homeland, and at times extending into Central Asia and Western Asia. The Persian empire has become what we know today as Iran.

One map with signed places in Asia Minor, from 7.-10. century, where Slavic tribes lived



Later on , I will add what i know about this places and conections...

THE VEDIC SRBINDA

AS INTERPRETED BY THE AUSTRIAN WALTER WUST


As far as it is known, from all the European peoples the Serbs are the only race from the construction of the wording of their name, according to the Austrian sanskritologist Walter Wust who are composed in the Vedic hymns as the characteristic SRBINDA, in which almost letter to letter is identical to the modern form SRBENDA used by Balkan Serbs.

In the Vedic manuscripts, Wust interpetes, SRBINDA as its own original to say patented name with a predetermined meaning. Which is in complete harmony to thinking of today’s SRBENDA expression in Serbs, because Srbenda is always the best, the most respected, most brave, the greatest for respecting tradition: in short a man who is used and shown as an example to others.


In a statement made by Walter Wust where he thoroughly examined the theme the age of Rig-Veda and at the same time analyzed the early history of the Indo-Arian race”, to be able to conclude the earliest period of written parts of the Veda ,, Rig-Veda”, Wust studied certain original names who are noted in the earliest of Vedic hymns. In fact the greatest part of Wusts work is dedicated to the above named title Srbinda.


To be able to give a date of the earliest recorded writings from the individual books of the Rig-Veda in which there are ten, in particular the eighth Wust did not only study the original name Srbinda but in a wider perspective had taken into account the names of rivers, mountains and regions of human habitation, concluding that this kind of detailed study would not only be of benefit to ideology but classical philology, archaeology , pre-history, geography and ethnology. This author who is right in his conclusion in which he disagrees on comments by others who maintain that there is some kind of separate parallel between India from the West and South-West: even more. He believes that through analyzing individual names, which appear in the Rig-Vedas , it can be gone as far as to be able to explain the so called,, Arian invasion”


Where unfortunately still exists through advancement in our times in many a vale of secrecy in many a field, a vale of uncertainty. Thanks to that ,,invasion” it came to the so called beginnings of ,,Indian civilisation”, in which it still leaves a question ,,invasion” open.
Hem Chanda yoshi in his work states: We do not forget that this text (Vedas)… was conceived by the Arian inhibitors, who gave the final outcome to the Indian civilisation,”

Wust believes that VI. And VIII. Book of Vedas can with certainty uncover the names of places not only in India but elsewhere too.

… auch ortlichkeiten aussserhalb Indiens mit Sicherheit zu beruckssichtigen.”

Concerning the name Srbinda, and on its foundation this can be done.

He therefore informs us that this name is found in one of three Rig-Vedas, in the oldest written lyrics of the Vedas, in book VIII., 32., 2.:
,,yah Srbindam anarsanim
piprum dasam ahisuvam…”

In the Vedic hymn, marked with the above number, we can find n interpretation in II series. Abel Bergan in page 348, where he writes regarding Vedic mythological traditions where ,, pipru “ is found. Bergan writes:

,,Pipru… figure en compagnie de Srbinda, d’Anarsani, d’Ahisuva…
ou lous lisons qu’Indra, en frappant cs differents ennemis, a fait couler les aux…”

He adds a little more in the same passage:
,,… comme Namuchi, il parait avoir recu le nom Dasa” (X., 138., 3 cf. VIII., 32., 2)…

Hence:

,,Pipru … is found in companionship with Srbinda, Anarshany, Ahishov… where it is read that Indra, hitting these different enemy’s , has succeeded in the flow of water…”

A number of sentences further in the same text it is written:

,,… Like NAMUCHI, it seems that he has been given the name DASA”

In Serbian a DASA is described as a distinctive individual in the positive sense. Strong, handsome and so on.

As it is clear, the last set of numbers apply to the Serbs: book of hymns number VIII. Hymn number 32. verse 2. It is clear that the five names: Srbinda, Anarshani, Pipru, Dasa and Ahishuva names of Indrinas enemy’s, who he ,,hit”;

With regards to the cited texts from the ten oldest collected verses from the Vedic Hymns. Wust disagrees with Sayanas translation of Srbinda s a mythological character but turns to Oldenburg’s interpretation that Srbinda is of a real character who was a leader of soldiers, a Duke. With this duke who clashed with the Indians and living God Indra.

To mention that Sr- grouping appears in configurations:
Sraja, Srnaja, Srmara, while the syllable Srb-. appears only once in Srbinda underlining those other elaborative examples which have been exclusively taken from the Vedas.

Wust presumes that the group S – R – B found in the Vedas of Iranian descent , just as the titles: Drbhika, Brbu, Brsaya, Srnaya, In which Mr. A. hillebrandt thinks are descended from the ,,Iranian highlands” or near neighbouring regions.

From this perspective it seems that both authors have been guided by the correct senses to out of India towards the South-West, not daring to, meanwhile, in the first instance to distance themselves from the Iranian highlands, which is a reason why it is left to wonder that the next Piscev’s thinking has not opened to him a wider horizon:

,,Srbinda wurde demnoch soviel heissen wie Herr, Furst, Erster der SRB-s und mit einer Bedeutungsentwicklung, die aus vedischer und nachvedischer Zeit gelaufig ist, darnch die Srb’s Selbst.”

,,Srbinda would mean to be understood the same as Master, Prince, the first among Serbs.


It seems strange that this his thinking has not opened Piscevs wider horizons it could be understood that as an Austrian his country is neighbour to the Lusatia Serbs (Serbs of Germany) like the Balkan Serbs. How is it possible that he thought of the Iranian highlands but not so of his Northern and Southern neighbours?! If to this he added the statements from Pliniye and Ptolemy Serbs, he would get an exact single Serbian chain beginning from India to the Baltic’s, across to central Europe all the way to the Balkans.

Reverting back to Wurst and his further interpretation of the name Srbinda in which he try’s to compare in a different category of names or peoples in -Inda. For Wust Srbinda presents the same form as Milinda, Mahinda, in which Inda would be shortened form for Indara found in personal mitanic name Indaruta or a personal name from the Rig-Vedas – Tirindara (book VIII.) in the scripts from the same text (o.c., page. 197.) Wust shows another example of intertwined names of people in plural form and the leader of these people that unites, always at the end –Inda and asserts: Kauninda (Masculine. Multiplicative = name of people), while the same word unites it indicates a leader or a prince of that people.

,,Furst dieses Volkes”,

It is as Wurst concludes:

Master, Prince, First among Serbs, Truly the Master of Inda!


Unfolding this only logical conclusive fact and its great value which is often used in Vedic and post-Vedic period, and within Serbs and Serbian peoples today.

The author further states: Expanding his thoughts. Wust asserts that Srbinda is as Miravinda, it has a complete understandable form. He categorises within the same group Pulinda and Kusurubinda or kusur(u)binda. Concluding his analysis to the form of the last name, finding it in Ptolomues Map, his de-members it in the following formula: Kusurb-inda, Wust shows his belief that this formula of geographical names
Incorporates within the name Suruba (one off pre-historical names for the Serbs) therefore Kusurbinda would be a mark for the name of the country – habitation of the Surubs, which Ptolomue has stated. It is clear that the name has its roots in SRB.


After catogorising all the vedic names which together with Srbinda fall in the foundation of pre-history wust crosses over to ,,post-Vedic” past presenting in Vedic alphabetical order.


Here is an extract of Wus’s study taken out of a small passage from page. 202. His argument is that Pulinda primarily indicates the titles of Master, The first among, a prince Pul-ana so that Ku-linda would be the master of Kul-a.

In the category of what interests us Srbinda Wust reaches a historical epoch to the name of king of Kabulistan and Punjab 150. B.C: Milinda . From this group will according to Wust show number of interesting names in which reader who know the Serbian language well will not be indifferent:
Govinda, Trivinda, Mitravinda, Kunjinda, Svinda, etc., the conclusion of the author:

,, In ihrer Mehzrzahl sind die Eigennamen von fursten unddarnach
von stammen”


,, There are multiple original names of leaders or princes to this people.

In page 203. Wust separates the names:
Kusurbinda, Pulinda, and Srbinda, claiming that they reach far back to the period of Vedic earliest times…:

,,… In das vedische Altertum hinein…”



Wust carries on to conclude that the element of – Inda is derived from INDRA , from the combination the first part of the name, thus it shows the primary meaning Master who is not of the Indian race still with the same group with the first part which reflects only on the people. Wust returns to the name Srbinda, dividing this name as shown, to SRB+INDA, Wust writes:
,, First I will find the Master, Prince then People!.”

Before hand Wust mentions, in the geographical view it will not go further from th region , Where the Vedas indicate nor will it in the historical thinking, exit the periodic borders, given the VIII. Book of Vedic hymns.

Wust further writes:

With such equipage we access Claudia’s Ptolomuis materials. Not long after Wust
Gave his thanks and gratitude to C.F. Nobbe whose index (index nominum Geographie Ptolemy) he used.


Wus presents us with the geographical name Sarbana (VII., I.,80.) the closest name to:
,,.India intra Gangem”,

Wust states the names of Iranian tribes which has the same phonetic ending: Ariyana, Baktriyana, - Probably in his sincere belief that Srbinda was an Iranian prince, or duke. Wus later states a name Sabrana (VI., I., 5.). Without further explanations he then adds:

,, Assyria = des stephanus von Bayanz”

From this outcome it is a lake Serbonis, through cited Ptolomuis records in index book. IV., 5., 12., 20., to the nearest which is,, the mouth of the Nile”

To remind the reade; Herodot and Aristotle never wrote Sirbonis in this manner but wrote as ,,Serbonis limne.


In the study of Serb pre-history work done by Jovan Deretic, we can find a reference to how the lake seems to receive its name from the pre-historical Serb army who had drowned in it as they returned from an attack on Egypt.

However Ruzica Borisavljevic does not agree to Mr. Deretic’s thinking, she writes the following:

,,these words have in the old times had their distinctive meaning. Since the lake was called Serb-on-is this name was given to, as an appreciation to God i-on (as-him) is the clue which would mean The Serbian God of Space (region),which tells us that the Serbs knew the region and that Him has saved them. In Greek mythology a story exists where Zeus toppled Typhon into the lake Serbonis.The god Zeus belongs to the Crete’s where the Serbs inhabited or Pelegasi then this is proof that the Serbian might did not drown in the lake, but the enemy had.”
(I will add later serbian story about slaying the Beast)

Diodor Sicillian had written vivedly about lake Serbonis and the Serbian Campaign into Egypt as did Frano-Marija Appendini in his interesting preface in Stulic’s dictionary. The result of Appendini’s search:

Herodot 5th B.C affirms that lake Serbonis in his time was dry but that the tracks could be recognised.which would mean that the lake was very old. As the greek tale suggests.

Reverting back to Walter Wust while working on his analysis regarding Greek writtings states:

,, Because of customery Greek inaccurate and inexact unstable writings,
past examples, regarding reading, is not completely understandable while with others (not Greek examples) there could not come to any kind of dought.”

According to Wuss these other examples can withstand every criticism,
This cannot be in any way eliminated, that they came from the roots of SRB. In this group Wuss mentions : (Sarbakon. III., 5., 29.), detailed summery with this connection:

Sarmatia Europaea, European Sarmats
Sarmatia Asiatica , Asian Sarmats
(Sorba, VI., 9., 6.) Hyrcania

Sayana indian translator (15th century) of vedic hymns writes:

Serbhinda the master of Inda.

didn't chek following words- are they belong to sanskrit originally... but list shows some common serbian and persian words ( written on serbian way but adapted phonetically):


*ambar, azur, azhdaja or azhdaha, azdiya
*babo, bazar, badzha, bazhdar, bakshish barabar, bashta, bashtovan, becyar, bedak, behar, berberin, bezistan, bor, boraks, bostan, boshcha, boza, burazer, burek, buregdzhija,
*charapa, chardak, charka, charshaph, charshiya, cherkesh, chesma, chiphchija, chinija, chirak, chobanin, choja, chorba, chunak,
*car, casa, cela, cemane, cilibar, cilim, cora, corsokak, cosa, coše,(but c is pronounced very "wet" , like ty)
*dada,darabuka, dar-mar, dembel, dervish, dilber, divan, dugme, dundyerluk, dushmanin, dusha?, duduk,dudche,
*dzhambas, dzhigerica, dzhumbus,
*dyerdap, dyevdyir, dyul,
*ferman,
*gungula,
*hodzha,
*ibrishim,
*yadatz, yagma, yaran, yorgovan,
*kaphtan, kaygana, kalup, karavan, kaur, kavga, kavgadzhija, kazan, kesa, kumbara,
*lagum, lala, lenger, lesh, limun, lola,
*mana, maya, mehana, mindyusha, merdevine, meze, mintan, murdara, mushtuluk, *nafta, nar, narandzha, nargila, nishan, nishandzhija, naut,
*pajdash, pamuk, pamuklija, pandzha, papucha, para (as money), paralija, parche, patlidzhan, pazar, pelivan, peygamber, pekmez, pendzher, perchin, peshkir, pihtije, pilav, pilyar, pirinach,
*rende ,rusvaj,
*samurovina, saraj, serdar, sindzhir, sirce, spahija, spanac,(again c as ty)
* shalvare, secer, shegrt, shenluchenje,shenluk, shimshir, shira, shkembe,
*tambura, tane, taraba,tarabuka, tarana, tava, taze, terazije, testera, testija, tezga, timar, tov, tulipan, turshiya,
*vishnya,
*zuluf, zurla,zeytin..

also , but woords in rarely use today in Serbia:
padishah,pachariz ..paydak, shisha,ayna

http://www.nur.org.yu/serbski/um_knjiz.htm

And some very similary words:

yek (pers.) yedan ( serb) one ( engl.)
yedunak (pers.) yedinak, yedinatz (serb.)only son ( engl)
yedun (pers.) yedan (serb) one peace, only ( engl)

do (pers.) dva, dve ( serb) two ( engl)
chahar (pers)chetwer, chetir(serb) four ( engl)
pandy (pers) pyat, pet (serb) five ( engl)
shish,shesh (pers) shes, shest ( serb) six ( engl)
octo, hasht (pers) opt (ser-vlach) eight (engl)
noh (pers) nou (serb-vlach) nine ( engl)
dah (pers) desyat, deset ( serb) ten (engl)


meymun (pers) maymun( serb) monkey ( engl)
sat (pers) sat ( serb) hour ( engl)

Zemin, Zameen,Zamin (pers) Zemlya,Zemun ( serb) Earth, ground (engl.)
Zemestun(pers) Zima, Zimostan ( serb) Winter (engl)
Lila (pers) lyilyan ( serb) lilac tree ( engl)esmam..(pers.) ya sam, yesam (serb) I am, my name is..( engl)
nist (pers) nisht, nishta ( serb) nothing ( engl)
zia (pers.) siya (serb) who shine ( engl)
Kobra (pers-major) Kobra (serb-dangerous snake)
bacha (pers) badzha ( serb) "boy" ( engl)
kun (pers) kun+dak ( serb) butt
mardekeh ( pers.) m'rdekan, mrnda, mrndeka(serb) worthless man (engl)
ghabe (pers.) ghabor ( serb) bitch, bad and ugly woman ( engl)
guz (pers.) guza, guz ( serb) ass ( engl)

Some common iranian / serbian names:

BAbak/Bobak/Bobac(pers. male) Babeya/Boban/Bobatz ( ser, male)
BelkA (pers male ) Belka ( serb, female)
BornA (pers, male) Borna,Borko, Borin..( serb. male)
CAran/KAran (pers .male) Caran/Karan ( serb, male name and surname)
Iliya ( pers. male) Iliya ( serb. male)
KooshA/KoushA ( pers male ) Kooslya ( serb. nickname)
RAd/Rod ( pers. male) Rad, Rade, Radivoj, Radenko/ Rod,Rodolyub, Rodya,( serb.male)
-------------------
GordiA (pers. female) Gorda, Gordana, ( serb.female)
Lila ( pers female) Lila ( serb nicname f.) Lyilya ( serb female)
MAndA (pers.female) Manda, Mandalina ( serb.female)
Mila ( pers, female) Mila, Milana, Milena, Milyana, Milya ( serb.female)
MinA ( pers female) Mina, Minka ( serb.female)
Misha ( pers.female) Misha ( serb. male nickname)Mishka ( serb.f. nickname)
Mitra ( pers female) Mitra, Dmitra ( serb female and male name)
Mihan ( pers female) Mikhan ( serb male)
Nadia ( pers female) Nada, Nadezhda, Nadya (serb.female)
Neda ( pers female) Neda ( serb female)
Nesa/Nessa ( pers female) Nesha ( serb. male nickname)
Parvan ( pers.female ) Prvana ( sreb f. ) Prvan ( serb. male)
Rasha ( pers female) Rasha ( serb. male)
Rokhshan ( pers female) Roksana, Roksanda, Roksandra ( serb female)
Soraya ( pers female) Zora, Zorana, Zoranka ( serb. female)
Susanak ( pers female) Suzana ( serb female)
Vida ( pers. female) Vida, Vidosava, Vidinka, ( serb female)
Vera ( pers. female) Vera ( serb. female)
Yasmin (pers. female) Yasmin,Yasminka, Yasna ( serb.female)
Zeka/Zika (pers female ) Zeka (serb.male nickname) / Zhika, Zhivorad ( serb.male)
Anisa ( pers female) Anica, Anitzy, Ana (serbian female)

http://cleo.lcs.psu.edu/

a vous maintenant lol maais beaucoup d'historien pense que les slaves descande des serbes la meme une arbe genealogique fait par un francais ami boué

desole zorsines il me faut au moins une semaine toute entiere pour lire tes sujets à tete repose

Attend, dans tes articles, il est dit que les Slaves habitaient en Anatolie?

mais c'est du n'importe de quoi, l'Anatolie n'a jamais était une terre Slave!!!!!!

Les Hittites ne sont pas des Slaves, ni aucun peuple a vécu en Anatolie, les Grecs, les Romains, les Lydiens, les Galates, les Phrygiens, les Arabes, les Byzantins, les Turcs, les Perses, les Assyriens, ETC...Ne sont pas des Slaves...

pacha endirait que tu ne sais pas tout lol de ta turquie pourt les hittite avec leur chaussure qui est proche celle des serbes
et j'en passe cyprien robert a dit que en turquie il avait des serbes (tribus) depuis bien longtemp aussi les grecs et les romains je ne sais pas comment c'est serbes se sont appelait a l'epoque